Addams Family Flipper problem

vivagolf · 12. Februar 2010, 22:03

Taf has been working great. Turned on yesterday and the flippers will not work. They energize during the part of the music and work fine but other than that nothing happens when you push the buttons.
Could it be the fliptronic board?????
Thanks for any help
vivagolf

Steelstopper · 12. Februar 2010, 22:14

Strange problem.
I'd found something on Marvin' page which sounds similar:

On fliptronics (before WPC-95) games, there can be a very rare and unusual problem with the fliptronics board. There is +50 volts power at the flipper coils (and the coils & diodes are good), but flipper switches just don't seem to work. This can be caused by a failed flipper switch input chip at location U5 (74HCT244) and U2 (74HCT374) on the fliptronics board.

Welcome on board. This thread was taken to the right place and confirmation-mail was sent out.

Mario

Mr.Startrek · 12. Februar 2010, 22:18

When the Buttons are not recognized, there is a good chance that the LM339 on the Fliptronik is broken - or the 12V are missing on that board. You may check the Voltage first

vivagolf · 12. Februar 2010, 22:20

Mario,
Thank you for the quick reply. I will check it out
vivagolf

frg · 12. Februar 2010, 23:06

Also turn the game off and reset the ribbon cables first Might just be a bad connection.

Regards
FRG

vivagolf · 12. Februar 2010, 23:57

Thanks guys for your replies. This will give me something to do tomorrow.
I have been on alot of forums but, without a doubt, this is the best.
Looking forward to participating more
vivagolf

frg · 13. Februar 2010, 00:08

>> I have been on alot of forums but, without a doubt, this is the best.

Don't tell the rgp guys this:) It#s mostly a German forum now but we always look forward to change this and make it more international

FRG

vivagolf · 18. Februar 2010, 20:51

Hello again,
Well I have replaced the fliptronic board and still no flippers. As I stated before, they do energize when the music hits the certain part so they are all working but cannot energize with the buttons.
The only thing I did before this happened is remove the coin door to have repainted and installed it back. Everything on the door works. Could it be something in the board that the door plugs into that's causing the problem?
Thanks,
Larry

Mr.Startrek · 18. Februar 2010, 23:30

On a regular Addams Family the Coindoor does not interrupt the solenoid voltage - only on a TAF GOLD.
So it must have somtehing to do with the button cabling - you probably removed some part of it.
Did you check the cables in the button connectors?
They come from the backbox to the left button and then pass over to the right one.
So I expect a problem on the left which is close to the coindoor harness!

Thoroughly investigate that area

Martin

vivagolf · 20. Februar 2010, 20:01

Hi Martin,
Checked all the connectins, wires and solder joints and everything on both sides seem fine.
Frustrating to say the least.
Thanks for the help.
vivagofl

frg · 20. Februar 2010, 20:31

I would say you lost the ground connection to Pin 6 J806 on the Fliptronics board. TAF doesn't use optos for the buttons so it's just a simple switch in the cabinet. According to the manual it's the orange wire on the switches. It should be connected to ground all the time. Should be easy to measure or just connect a short cable going from the silver ground braid in the cabinet to the lug on the flipper switch with the orange cable. if the switches work with this quick fix check the J806 connector housing. The .100 IDC connectors are junk.

If the ground connection is fine it might also be a bad ASIC CPU socket or the flat cable going to the CPU. If you have a spare it might be worth to swap it in.

FRG

vivagolf · 28. Februar 2010, 21:09

Thanks,
Checked everything you had listed but still no go on the flippers.

Mr.Startrek · 5. März 2010, 08:43

Now Houston has a problem.

Best Diagnostics would be a board swap to find a board with problem.
But from Germany ... to far. Any pinball located close to you where you can lend the board for a test?

Martin

vivagolf · 5. März 2010, 16:41

Thanks Martin,
I have been checking and no one close to me. I did replace the fliptronics board with a new one but that didn't correct the problem. Which board should I try next????
Again, thanks

frg · 7. März 2010, 10:07

If you haven't changed the CPU try this one first. But I still thinks it's more likely a problem with the wiring.

FRG

fireII · 9. März 2010, 18:22

@ viagolf!

Have you checked the switches in the switchtest??
I can´t read in all your written lines that you have tested them.

Christoph

vivagolf · 16. August 2010, 20:03

Well, I finally got back to the machine. Checked the ground like Frg mentioned and the flippers do work when I use a seperate grond wire to the orange wire on the flipper switch. I checked the housing on the J806 and it seems fine. Anywhere else to go.
Thanks again
Larry

frg · 16. August 2010, 22:52

In this case either the orange wire is broken or the connector is bad. I would replace the connector first and then the wire.

FRG

vivagolf · 17. August 2010, 00:26

Thanks, FRG will try and hope it takes care of the problem. It is quite frustrating.
Larry

vivagolf · 4. Oktober 2010, 21:26

Well, thanks to everyone for the help on the problem I had with the flippers. I finally found the problem and fixed it. It was the orange ground wire that was broken on J805. Put on a new molex connector and terminal ends and it fixed the problem.
Thanks again for all your help.
Larry